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Sunday, December 1, 2024

A 40 Meter Direct Conversion Receiver from M0NTV -- With some SolderSmoke Comments


Nick's video appears above. 

First, let me say FB Nick.   It is nice to see you making use of the AGC amp designed by Wes and Bob,  using the board from Todd's Mostly DIY RF, using a mix of homebrew pads and Me-Squares  from Rex, and finally the Franklin Oscillator that we spent so much time talking about on SolderSmoke.  

But here are some comments:  

-- I still don't think you need that RF amplifier in front of the mixer. And I suspect you would be better off without it.  We did not use one in our high school 40 meter project, and never missed it.  In fact, on one version of the high school receiver I even put in a simple 10k pot as an attenuator (no RF amp).  Even up on 20 meters, I do not have an RF amplifier ahead of the diode ring mixer on either of the Mythbuster rigs I have built.  Nick,  maybe experiment a bit more and try the receiver just going from the BP filter into the mixer and see what happens.  

Note that Wes W7ZOI DID NOT have an REF amp ahead of the diode ring mixer in his original 1968 40 meter Direct Conversion receiver (the one that launched the solid-state DC recevier revolution): 


-- The Franklin oscillator is an interesting, but complicated circuit.  The gimmick is, well, gimmicky.  Here is the thing:  You can achieve similar levels of stability using simple conventional, single transistor oscillators.  We dispensed with the variable capacitors, and used PTO--style variable inductors. They worked fine.  This Franklin oscillator still does seem to drift a bit, right?   I would ground the board to the inside of the metal box.    

I would also try putting all the stages on a single ground plane.  This might help.  

Monday, July 17, 2023

Going Down the Phase Noise Rabbit Hole with the IMSAI Guy (VIDEO) -- Is there a better way?


Chimera:  2.
a thing that is hoped or wished for but in fact is illusory or impossible to achieve.
(from the Oxford English Language Dictionary). 

Phase Noise.  We know what it is, but how do you measure it?  Pete N6QW and I went through this back when people were casting phase noise aspersions at (Pete's!) beloved Si5351.   More recently phase noise hate  has been focused on (my?) beloved Franklin oscillator.  When I asked a very technically proficient and guy at the VWS club if he could measure phase noise, I was surprised when he honestly said that he could not. 

And now we have the IMSAI guy saying, essentially, the same thing.  Wow, if the VWS guy and the IMSAI guy -- with all the spectrum analyzers at their disposal -- have trouble measuring phase noise, what hope do we ordinary hams have?  I mean, at best most of us have just an oscilloscope, a NanoVNA,  and a TinySA.  

Look, I know that phase noise is real and in certain circumstances, it is important.   But sometimes I suspect that its measurement is also a bit of a technical chimera:  If,  for whatever reason,  there is a circuit that you don't like, you can claim that the phase noise of that circuit is bad.  Or horrible. I think we see this sometimes with the Franklin oscillator.  Very few hams will be able to measure it and dispute the assertion that the phase noise is bad.    

For a perhaps painful walk down SoldeSmoke's "Phase Noise Memory Lane"  go here: 

Thanks to the IMSAI guy for a great video.   But let me ask:   Is there a better, simpler way to measure phase noise?  One that will avoid chimerical results and that could be used by hams with sort of standard ('scope, sig gen, NanoVNA, TinySA) test gear? 
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