CuriousMarc Repairs the French Oscilloscope of His Youth -- ACHTUNG!

It was very cool to watch CuriousMarc go back and repair the French Oscilloscope that he used as a kid. 

I was reminded of my work on a Tek 465 scope.  There is a LOT of high voltage around those CRTs.  I needed to measure the HV on my Tek 465 -- Alan Wolke W2AEW lent me a high voltage probe. Thanks again Alan.  I eventually gave up on the Tek 465 but that was because mine had plug-in transistors.  Yuck -- one bump of the elbow during troubleshooting and you could easily inject new problems into the broken machine. 

Marc's work also caused me to think about working on the HAMEG 10 MHz scope that I have in the shack.  Also there is the older Eico scope that was so bad and so limited in bandwidth that it has been banished to the basement.  But I must say, watching Mark move around high voltage made me realize why so many of us have migrated to solid-state scopes.  I have modern Rigol scopes in both my shacks. 

As with Mr. Carlson, I must say that Marc should be more careful with energized gear and capacitors that hold their charge.   Marc seems to think that those insulating gloves protect him from HV, but he still grabs that beast with both hands and makes skin to metal contact with at least one arm.  Yikes!  Don't do that!  Volts jolt but mils kill OM!  One hand behind your back!  Marc does recognize the danger, and displays this sign at least three times during the video.  (Marc is obviously NOT a dummkopf!)     

Google Gemini said this about the sign: 

The language is German (though it is a bit grammatically jumbled and misspelled).

Translated to English, it roughly means: "Is it not for work by blockheads!" or "Is this not for use by fools!"

A Quick Breakdown

The phrase looks like a slightly mangled variation of a classic piece of old internet joke-lore known as "Blinkenlights."

Back in the early days of computing, tech rooms often had mock-warning signs posted in broken, comical German (often called "Mock-German" or "Germlish") to warn non-technical people not to mess with the machines.

If you are looking at a quirky warning sign or an old tech joke, the proper full phrase usually goes something like this:

"Achtung! Alles Lookenspeepers! Das computation-machine ist nicht für gefingerpoken und mittengrabben! Ist easy schnappen der springenwerk, blowenfusen und popencorken mit spitzensparken. Ist nicht für gewerken bei dummköpfen!"

In short: "This is serious equipment—no touching, and it's definitely not meant to be operated by fools!"

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And be sure to check out the oscilloscope music as seen by Marc's old scope: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCukVSqoZyI

"Troubleshooting Analog Circuits" by Bob Pease

 

I used to say that at a hamfest, you should get three things:  1) some parts 2) a tool, and 3)  a book.  I thought I had maxed out on books.  Until Bob KD4EBM sent me this one.  I made room for it. 

Just consider some of the chapter headings and sub-headings:

 

-- The Philosphy of Troubleshooting. 

-- Quashing Spurious Oscillations

-- Oscillations Crop up

-- Roundup of "Floobydust:" Loose ends that don't fit elsewhere

-- Real circuits and real problems

-- Experts have no monopoly on good advice

-- Learn to recognize clues 

-- When computers replace troubleshooters, Look Out

-- Understanding diodes and their problems

-- Identifying and avoiding transistor problems

Sadly Bob died in 2011. But his good advice and wisdom lives on: 

https://www.qsl.net/n9zia/pease/index.html

Get this book:  https://www.amazon.com/Troubleshooting-Analog-Circuits-Design-Engineers/dp/0750694998

CuriousMarc Fixes the HP-182C Power Supply -- But More Fun to Come!

I really like how Marc stops and gives an account of all the parts he has changed,  and that he HONESTLY talks about parts that he mistakenly replaced, or replaced when the original turned out to be good.  Too often wizards write about their troubleshooting experiences and conveniently leave out these inconvenient changes.   But this is a big part of the troubleshooting game, and I am really grateful that Marc describes what really happens, WARTS AND ALL! 

I must say, Marc's replacement parts drawers are looking kind of empty.  He needs spare parts for videos like this.   

Wow, plastic polish!  Who knew?  I want some.   

Marc is a ham.  His callsign is AJ6JV. 

This kind of video is ALMOST enough to get me to work on my old HAMEG 'scope. 

In the next video Marc pledges to take on the 1966 trigger circuits.  

ElectroBOOM! CuriousMarc Tries (and fails) to fix an old HP182C Oscilloscope -- Words of Wisdom for all Homebrewers

"You try your best to improve something that already almost works... and then you ZAP it entirely in the process.  This is the worst feeling ever.  But don't kick yourself.   This is our lot.  We are made to suffer." CuriousMarc

Indeed.  Take heart homebrewers.  Even CuriousMarc (who is a ham!) has been there and done that. 

This particular CuriousMarc episode was, I think, especially good: 

-- It reminded me of WHY I gave up on my beloved Tek 465 and went with Rigol DSO scopes.  I found I was fixing the Tek scope too often.  Plus, my Tek 465 had PLUG-IN TRANSISTORS.  Yikes!  One false move and you would insert 2 or 3 new problems into the already broken 'scope.  The high voltage in there was really scary.  I had to borrow a high voltage probe from Alan W2AEW.  I survived, but we shouldn't have to risk our lives for hobby test gear!

-- I would advise all homebrewers to be more careful around the really high voltages you will find in old 'scopes and TVs.  Remember the lesson of Ross Hull:

https://www.wia.org.au/members/contests/rosshull/documents/Ross%20Hull%20-%20VHF%20Pioneer.pdf

Read the article that starts on page 7:

 https://www.rsp-italy.it/Electronics/Magazines/QST/_contents/QST%201938_11.pdf

-- Marc struggled with a junction FET.  This reminded me of the raging J310 debate on the Discord channel for the SolderSmoke Direct Conversion Receiver. 

-- We see the oscillator signal flat-topping when it turns on the diodes -- again DC RX memories. 

-- Marc had trouble seeing how the oscillator would start.  I too had trouble understanding how an oscillator would get going. 

-- At one point Marc replaced a transistor with a device that grounded the drain.  This will happen if you switch too quickly from say an RD06 to an IRF-510.   With the IRF-510 you need to insulate the tab from the grounded heat sink.    

It will be great to see, in subsequent episodes, how Marc makes it work.  It is really great to see someone present an unvarnished view of how troubleshooting really works.  

Thanks Marc.   73 

Here is Marc's YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/@CuriousMarc

Rob VK5RC's FB SolderSmoke Direct Conversion Receiver. MDS?

Rob VK5RC has completed his SolderSmoke direct conversion receiver.  Congratulations Rob.  And it is good to know what we have a Medical Doctor among our builders -- this adds prestige and expertise to the project. 

Rob measures a Minimum Discernible Signal at -95 dbm.  I think that is kind of weak performance.  Much depends, of course, on how you define "descernible."  Some books say you need a 10 db increase in audio.  Others say you just need to be able to tell there is a signal there.  I have gone with the latter definition and have measured MDS of around -120 dbm.   I wonder why there is such a difference in measured MDS.  

In any case, it is great to see Rob's receiver inhaling all of that great Australian SSB (see video above).  Thanks Rob, and congratulations.  

SolderSmoke Direct Conversion Receiver Challenge -- Bonus Video -- Using an Oscilloscope to Test Your Receiver

 SolderSmoke Challenge – Bonus Episode – Using your oscilloscope to test your DCR

 

New homebrew radio builders often struggle with test and measurement.  You can build a board perfectly but if you don’t have your tools setup correctly you won’t be able to tell if your board is working, or worse you’ll thing it is not working when it is working perfectly.  In this bonus episode Dean, KK4DAS takes us through the basics of configuring and oscilloscope to test the boards, particularly the  PTO oscillator, buffer, and the mixer. 

 

We say this often, but if you really want to learn about oscilloscopes and test and measurement there is no better resource than our friend Alan, W2AEW’s YouTube Channel.  Check it out!

 

 

Alan Wolke, W2AEW’s YouTube Channel:

https://youtube.com/@w2aew?si=TEZcVYWOG8Frce1c

 

Join the discussion - SolderSmoke Discord Server:

https://discord.gg/Fu6B7yGxx2

 

Documentation on Hackaday:

https://hackaday.io/project/190327-high-schoolers-build-a-radio-receiver

 

SolderSmoke YouTube channel:

https://www.youtube.com/@soldersmoke

 

SolderSmoke blog DCR posts:

https://soldersmoke.blogspot.com/search/label/TJ%20DC%20RX

SA2CLC Fixes the Cavity Resonator on his HP8640 -- Not for the Faint of Heart!

 

https://sa2clc.blogspot.com/2025/01/hp8640-died-this-is-me-catching-up-on.html?m=1

Clip Leads Made with FAKE WIRE! Buy Good Ones from PARTS CANDY!

We don't see many videos about clip leads,  but this one fits in well with our esoteric subject matter. 

Carlos of Parts Candy (our sponsor) responds: 

Interesting video. Yes the clips we make are nickel plated steel but the wire is tinned copper. When I was making custom orders I made some custom clip lead sets using 100% copper clips for a few people who really needed the low resistance. In most applications the steel clips should be fine. The resistance for 12” clips is about 12mOhms and the 32” clips are around 24mOhms, iirc.

The bottom lines:  1)  Don't scrimp with a crimp -- get a good solid soldered clip-wire connection from Parts Candy. 2) Parts Candy wires are not fake.  They are tinned copper 3) The metallic composition of Parts Candy clips does not degrade performance. 4) But if a customer really needs copper clips, Carlos can make them too. 

Parts Candy web site:  https://www.partscandy.com/

Using a Photomultiplier THERMATRON to Detect Single Photons

I've been a fan of Jeroen's YouTube channel for a while now.  He has a very nice approach, combining theoretical knowlege with practical experiments and equipment builds.  Here we see him using a photomultiplier tube and a board acquired in flea market to build his photon detector.  

This video has a lot to offer us.  First, there is a single thermatron.  There is a tube socket.  There is a (really small!) high-voltage power supply.  He uses an oscilloscope. There is a laser.  There are photons.  And at one point, a single photon.  

Having recently built a simple Wilson Cloud Chamber, my attraction to this device is easy to explain.  I suspect our friend Grayson will be interested in it for Thermatronic reasons.   There is a Part II.   Check out the YouTube channel: 

https://www.youtube.com/@HuygensOptics  

Here is more info on the channel and it's creator: 

Hi, my name is Jeroen and on the Huygens Optics channel I publish videos on personal projects. My main fields of interest are optics, mechanics and photolithography. The videos aren't targeted towards a general audience but for people with a passion for science and technology (e.g. my fellow nerds). The channel is named after the famous Dutch mathematician, astronomer and inventor Christiaan Huygens (1629-1695). He was the first to publish a mathematical description of the wave properties of light, and also discovered Saturn's rings.

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Thanks Jeroen

Bill N2CQR Builds Yet Another Mythbuster Transceiver

 This one is for 20 meters (no need for 75) and will go to the Dominican Republic.

6 crystal filter at 5.2 MHz. VFO from old Yaesu FT-101 Termination Insensitive IF amplifiers using boards from Mostly DIY RF No RF amp ahead of the mixer. First mixer is homebrew diode ring. Bandpass filter has 4 LC circuits. Steep skirts. Low insertion loss. Bal Mod/Product detector has two diodes (singly balanced) Carrier osc is crystal controlled and homebrew. Audio amp starts with a 2N3904 amplifier followed by an LM386 board. Transmitter portion will be done next.

The crystal filter as seen on the Antuino

Filter on the blank board. 

Bandpass filter (-20 db = 0)

VFO box, carrier osc, Bal Mod/Product Detector, AF amps

The Antuino looks at the Crystal Filter

Sherwood: "It's Time to Clean Up our Transmitters"

 

http://nc0b.com/qst-article/NC0B-QST-Nov-2019.pdf

As an analog, HDR, discrete component, radical homebrew fundamentalist, obviously I have been concerned about all the hype about SDR.  SDR advocates often make it sound as if those of us who build with discrete analog components (crystal filters!) are hopless troglodytes, about to be thrown on the ash heap of radio history.  Or something like that.  They sort of imply that without the cleansing benefits of SDR, our signals will remain hoplessly dirty. 

I find it interesting that Sherwood concluded that the cleanest transmitter he ever owned was a Collins 32S-3!  He compared the two tone output of this old rig to that of a modern transceiver.  This was in 2019.  See above.  HDR wins. 

Don't get me wrong.  I want to clean up the signals from my HDR rigs.  But I am encouraged by Sherwood's remarks.  I do not think I will have to go SDR in order to have a clean signal.   I may just  do some two-tone tests on the rigs,  make some adjustments, and maybe build a class A Thermatron .1 kW linear. 

A Paraset and the Heathkit SG-6 Signal Generator (Video)

Mike WU2D put out this nice video (above) about whether or not he should part out his Heath SG-6 signal generator, using the parts in a Paraset construction project.  I faced a similar question years ago: 

https://soldersmoke.blogspot.com/search?q=SG-6

I just solid stated the SG-6.  I was influenced by Farhan and the drinking straws that he picked up with his kids at a McDonalds in Hyderabad. 

As with the QF-1, I say to Mike: GO FOR IT OM!  You need those parts for other projects.  Don't feel bad about the SG-6.  But keep that switched coil assembly -- it is quite useful. 

ANOTHER Great Workshop

As I get ready to build the SolderSmoke Shack South, the Radio Gods (well at least YouTube) keep sending me these workshop videos.  Today's is also for a shop specializing in the repair of vintage audio gear, but the lessons-learned and observations are also applicable to a ham radio workshop.  This fellow's shop is in New York City, where space is very limited.  Check it out.  Lots of great ideas here.   

And check out the Novalux Stereophhonic channel:

 https://www.youtube.com/c/novaluxstereophonic

 

Some Really Amazing Test Gear

Wow. Really great test gear, and an amazing parts collection.   This guy even gets a "nice workshop" comment from Mr. Carlson.   Pac1085 seems to be in Rochester N.Y. and he says he specializes in the repair of vintage audio gear.  He should have more subscribers.  Does anyone have more info on him?  

Here is his channel:  https://www.youtube.com/@pac1085/featured

Why we have "BW Limit" Switches on our Oscilloscopes

Dean KK4DAS asked me why we have these switches on our 'scopes.  I didn't know.  Dean asked Alan Wolke W2AEW.  Alan knew: 

Alan Wolke wrote: 

Interesting background on the 20MHz vertical BW selection. This feature has existed on the vast majority of all oscilloscopes since the 50s or 60s (both analog & digital). When I explored the history of this, I spoke to some of the folks at VintageTek.org, and wound up having a chat with THE engineer that did it first!  Tt was John Addis, designer at Tektronix. 

At the time, Tektronix was located in Portland Oregon. While working on a wideband vertical preamp for a new scope (the 7A11 vertical plugin for the 7000 series scope), John Addis was plagued with interference from the local television broadcast station in the 50MHz band. So, he popped in a 20MHz low pass filter that he could switch in/out so that he could complete the work on the preamp. Since it was deemed useful, it was left in the design. 

 

And, since Tektronix added a switchable 20MHz low pass filter  in their scope, and Tek was the leader in oscilloscope technology, other manufacturers followed suit, and this feature has "stuck" as a staple in vertical setting controls. 

 

The main reasons you'd use this filter would be to improve the signal to noise ratio (SNR) for signals when their frequency content is below 20MHz.   You've probably noticed that, even without any signal connected, the thickness of the trace is thinner when you engage the 20MHz filter. 

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Alan sent a link to a Wiki page about the 7A11 that John Addis was designing.  Alan says this places the initial inclusion of the 20 MHz BW Limit filter to the mid 1960s: 

https://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/7A11. 

Thanks Dean, thanks Alan!  

Radio Items Picked-up at VWS Winterfest 2024 Hamfest

As always, click on image for a better view

Above you can see what I picked up at the Vienna Wireless Society's 2024 Winterfest Hamfest. 

-- On the left in the blue box is an MXM Industries SuperRX/TX 40 transceiver. It is a kit from a Texas company.   Superhet receiver with IF at 455 kHz.  Crystal controlled CW transmitter on 7040 kHz.  The oscillator works, but so far no receive signals.  I will have to troubleshoot.  Does anyone have a schematic? 

-- Behind the MXM there is a nice box marked "Diode Detector" I opened it up and there is just a solid state diode and a 50 ohm resistor to ground.   Box may be useful. 

-- I got a couple of books: "Weekend Projects" 1979 from ARRL, and "A History of QST -- Volume 1 Amateur Radio Technology 1915 - 2013" 2013 from ARRL. 

-- On top of the Weekend Projects book you see a "Crystal Holder" from Gross Radio of New York City.  W1UJR has some good history on this company:  https://w1ujr.com/written-word/gross-radio-company-circa-1931/  This device seem to be intended to hold in place a raw piece of quartz!  Cool. 

-- To the right of the books there is a serious-looking VFO.  One dollar!  Deal!  It is a CB VFO, but the markings say it puts out 5.44 to 5.99 MHz.  So it should be useful.  The dual speed dial is very nice.  

-- Above the VFO is a nice step attenuator from the "Arrow Antenna" company of Loveland Colorado. 

-- Further to the right are some Electric Radio and Antique Wireless Association magazines that Armand WA1UQO gave me.  Really nice.  The AWA mags have a very thoughtful piece (warts and all) on Jean Shepherd.  And the ER pile has an article by Scott WA9WFA that mentions my work on the Mate for the Mighty Midget receiver.  Thanks again Armand! 

-- I also got some ADE6+ surface mount mixers.  The price was right! 

Thanks to VWS for putting on this great hamfest! 

SolderSmoke Podcast #249 -- Travel, Pete's 6BA6 rig, Books!, VFOs, SDR, Computers, Spectrum Analysers, Transistor Man! MAILBAG

New VFO for 15-10 Transceiver

Schematic below

SolderSmoke Podcast #249 is available:  http://soldersmoke.com/soldersmoke249.mp3

There is also a video version of this podcast: https://youtu.be/5xyaYivtOhw

Travelogue:  

HAPPY VETERANS' DAY TO PETE AND GRAYSON AND TO ALL THE OTHER VETERANS WHO ARE LISTENING. 

Trip out to San Francisco. Sticker placed on the corner of Haight and Ashbury:  See picture below.  Note other sticker.  Really Groovy! 

Cuban Cacharreo! Andy CO2AFV's Knack Story  https://soldersmoke.blogspot.com/2023/10/a-cuban-knack-story-and-pandemic-sits.html

Bill's DXCC-100.  DONE.   

Tribal Wisdom:  W1REX on HRWB https://soldersmoke.blogspot.com/2023/11/listen-to-rex-w1rex-lots-of-tribal.html

Pete's Bench:

Pete's 6BA6 rig

Pete's 6BA6 Rig

Pete Re-invents the Shirt-pocket SSB Rig

Pete's remake of the ShirtSleeve Transceiver

Pete Builds Two Computers 

Pete Adds a Second Band to his Homebrew SDR 

 

SHAMELESS COMMERCE DIVISION:  

BEZOS BUCKS ARE BACK!  PLEASE  BUY THERE! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Mostly DIY RF:  Work proceeds in the Oregon Silicon Forest on P3ST kit development. Todd is confident the P3ST will be released on December 18th.Many other kits available now:  https://mostlydiyrf.com/ 

Sign up for the newsletter:  https://mostlydiyrf.com/subscribe/ 

Bill's Bench: 

Rebuild of the 15-10 VFO (for improved Dial Spread) (with yet another QF-1 capacitor) https://soldersmoke.blogspot.com/2023/10/dial-scale-linearity-spreading-out.html

Why Building for 10 meters is harder: https://soldersmoke.blogspot.com/2023/09/why-building-for-10-meters-is-harder.html

Copper Tape shielding of 15-10 rig. 

Crushing Spurs with Better Bandpass Filters (see blog post) https://soldersmoke.blogspot.com/2023/09/crushing-17-and-12-meter-spurs-with.html

Another 15-10 rig in the works... for SSSS.   Boards are accumulating... 

More problems discovered with the Herring Aid 5 Receiver . Lots of SS blog posts  Comment from Rick WD5L.  ) https://soldersmoke.blogspot.com/2023/10/a-big-error-discovered-in-1976-qst.html   Did you try to build one?  Did you succeed or did you fail?  Please let us know. 

The Basil Mahon books (blog posts) https://soldersmoke.blogspot.com/2023/11/basil-mahon-is-author-for-us-he.html

The Sunburst and Luminary book of Don Eyles (blog posts) 

The Art of Electronics by Horowitz and Hill (blog posts) 

Spectrum Analysers:  Tiny SA Ultra https://soldersmoke.blogspot.com/2023/09/the-tinysa-ultra-spectrum-analyser-video.html  and Polarad 632C-1; George WB5OYP gave me one of these spectrum analysers  (I NEED a manual! Does anyone have a manual or a schematic? )  : 

Polarad 632C-1

Stabilizing the EB63A (with Pete recommended LP filters from e-Bay. 

MAILBAG:

TRANSISTOR MAN T-SHIRTS!  Thanks to Roy WN3F! 

Todd VE7BPO on AF amplifiers.  Thanks Todd.  

Wes W7ZOI -- Always a privilege to exchange e-mail with Wes. 

E-mail from Jay Rusgrove W1VD. About the Herring Aid 5. 

E-mail from Eamon Skelton EI9GQ!  Amazing! 

HB2HB with Denny VU2DGR https://soldersmoke.blogspot.com/2023/09/hb2hb-contact-with-denny-vu2dgr.html

Nick M0NTV on diode matching for ring mixers: https://soldersmoke.blogspot.com/2023/10/does-matching-matter-diode-matching-for.html

Paul Taylor VK3HN on the new Elecraft CW rig. 

Dean KK4DAS fixed the noise in his Hallicrafters SW receiver.  A long battle, finally won. 

Dean also in contact with G3UUR. 

Ramakrishnan VU2JXN helping me set up a backup of blog on WordPress.  

Mark KA9OOI noticed that SS podcast archive appears gone.  In fact just temporarily relocated to http://soldersmoke.com/podcastarchive.html

(SS PODCAST Archive temporarily relocated to http://soldersmoke.com/podcastarchive.html) 

Andreas DL1AJG - Crystal radio video. https://soldersmoke.blogspot.com/2023/10/building-crystal-set-videos.html

George N2APB on the Herring Aid 5

Grayson KJ7UM experimenting with Varactors and Thermatrons! 

Thomas K4SWL on Mattia's DC receiver. https://soldersmoke.blogspot.com/2023/10/mattia-zamanas-amazing-direct.html

Bob Weaver of Dial Bandspread Linearity  fame.  Electron Bunker

Mike Bryce WB8VGE QRP Hall of famer -- he too couldn't get the Herring Aid 5 working. 

Kirk NT0Z wrote about the Wayback machine.  But this former ARRL staffer he also tried and failed to get the Herring Aid 5 going.  Way back when... https://soldersmoke.blogspot.com/2015/03/kirks-herring-aid-tuna-tin-and-regen.html

New 15-10 VFO with schematic

Dial Bandspread (Before)

At corner of Haight and Ashbury

Another Evaluation of the TinySA Ultra (with Teardown) (Video)

More info on using the TinySA Ultra. 

-- Makes me wonder if it makes sense for me NOT to enable Ultra mode now.  I am not going into the UHF range.

-- Waterfall!  Sig Gen! 

-- Kerry got a lot of distortion when listening to FM broadcast signals.  I wonder if this is due to the Tiny SA detector being an AM detector? 

-- Teardown was very cool.  

-- Comparison to the HP spectrum analyser was very illuminating.  Bottom line:  TinySA Ultra gives you a lot of capability for $150.  

 

The TinySA Ultra Spectrum Analyser (video)

I got mine this week, and I've been playing with it.  When I spoke to Dean KK4DAS, I asked what he thought the first thing I did with it was.  He guessed that I tried out the greatly improved Resolution Bandwidth.  Good guess, but not quite:  I tried out the  "listening" feature on this SA.  You will recall that the plain-vanilla, non-Ultra TinySA required a hardware mod to allow for listening.  Dean had told me that the Ultra came with a headphone jack.  Indeed.  I fired it up and was able to listen to 1220 AM and also to the FM broadcast stations in the area.  With the FM stations, I'm guessing I was using a form of slope detection (IMSAI guy says it detects AM).   I tried to see if I could see/hear stations on the ham bands -- so far, no luck.  I'm not sure why, but I will work on this.  

The IMSAI guy video (above) does a great job in comparing the TinySA Ultra to a "real" spectrum analyser.   I think it compares very well.  

One note on where I got mine:  I ended up getting it from R&L Electronics, the recommended U.S. dealer for the device.  I had tried getting it (cheap) through AliExpress.  This didn't really work out.  The tracking info from AliExpress showed that the box had made it to my local post office, but I never got it.  It may have been that they just didn't take the complete mailing address from PayPal.  In any event, I was able to get a refund from PayPal, so no loss here.  R&L turned out to be a great source. 

Ultra, of course. 

Crushing Spurs with Better Bandpass Filters

PA3AKE's passband (on screen) an mine (on NanoVNA) 

While I was away in the Dominican Republic (3-9 August 2023),  I was thinking about spurs.  While there I watched Nick M0NTV's video about mixers.  The video was all great, but I was especially taken by the way he used a spectrum analyser to evaluate the output of various mixers.  This made me think that I should do the same thing with the output of each of my dual-band BITX rigs. 

I was especially worried about the output from my 17-12 rig.  The IF is at 21.4 MHz.  The VFO runs around 3.5 MHz.   So if you add the IF and the carrier oscillator signal you get to 12 meters.  If you subtract them you get to 17 meters.  But you need some good bandpass filtering to sufficiently knock down the unwanted output from the mixer.  And the BP filter should be sufficiently narrow to take out any remnants of the carrier oscillator signal. I had taken the easy way out and had used simple dual-tuned-circuit (DTC) filters.  I started to wonder if these simple BP filters would be enough to knock down the 12 meter signal while on 17 and the 17 meter signal while on 12.  I pulled out my NanoVNA to look at the passbands: 

Here is what the 17 meter DTC filter passband looked like. The cursor is at 29.6 MHz and you can see that near the 12 meter band it is only providing about 21 db of attenuation.  That is not enough. 

And here is what the 12 meter filter looked like. Here the cursor is at 18.150 Mhz and shows about 25 db of attenuation at this frequency.  Again, not enough.  

The results are as you would expect: I could see 24.9 MHz signals in the output when I was on 17 meters, and I could see 18 MHz signals in the output when I was on 12 meters.  The spurs weren't strong, but they were there.  I knew that more robust BP filters would help.  

At first I used the circuits prescribed by Martein PA3AKE.  He used larger toroidal cores, I used smaller T-50-6 (yellow) cores.  The results were very similar.  See the first picture on this blog post. 

The results were really good.  See pictures below.  I was using a TinySA with the signal fed through a 50 ohm 30db attenuator.  I was putting a 1 kHz signal in to the mic input.  

This picture shows the 12 meter output and the now non-existent 17 meter spur.  The cursor is at 18.142 MHz:    

This picture shows the 17 meter signal and the now non-existent 12 meter spur. The cursor is at 24.993 MHz.   We can see some second harmonic signal getting past the LP filter -- I will fix this.  

Then Farhan commented on Martien's filters, noting that they are all in the "LSB" configuration.   You can see from the charts below how they would be really good when you are trying to use the "difference" output from your mixer while knocking down the sum output,  but not vice versa.     So I built new USB filters for 12 meters,  and for 10 meters in my nee 15-10 rig.  I got better results on the two "sum" bands in my rigs (10 and 12 meters)